Marston Hammer
2:16 Sat May 28
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Vexed 1:54 Sat May 28
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The information is out there for you to make an informed decision. Why wait for the Leave campaign to spoon feed it to you when it's all at your fingertips?
If you have any specific questions I'm sure there are plenty on here that can answer.
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i-Ron
2:11 Sat May 28
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Was there a plan before the EU existed? Or was we completely clueless but fortunate?
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boltkunt
2:05 Sat May 28
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I'm more worried that Vexed is trying to discuss politics.
What is the world coming to.
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Vexed
1:54 Sat May 28
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Infidel 12:32 Sat May 28
Don't be a silly cunt, you know perfectly well that the Leave campaign provide no rationale for anything they say. Anyone with a plan would disagree with the Remain campaign but then follow it up with some explanation of why they disagree. Not these clowns! Just flat denial. You can't trust that.
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straightuplazy
1:07 Sat May 28
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This whole campaign strikes me as a little odd....Has just become Labour vs Tories again.
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tazman
1:03 Sat May 28
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Pickle it is very strange that our own Mr Cameron thinks we will do very well
Out of the E.U.
Maybe if Cameron gets to vote he may now vote OUT.
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deanfergi
12:46 Sat May 28
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It goes to show that so many people are waiting to be told how to vote by either campaign. Apathy is the problem and it's only the individuals fault. No-one can know all the facts or risks of either outcome yet some are taking every word as absolute without thinking about it or judging for themselves... It's depressing that everything seems to boil down to the economic argument when there are much wider ranging considerations. I don't trust British politicians that much but I know who they are and that they can be got rid of, for starters..x
Probably...
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Hammer and Pickle
12:45 Sat May 28
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The Brexit campaign is the one proposing the change. And it is not just a small one but an absolutely fundamental realignment of the UK's place in the world.
Therefore it is incumbent on the Brexit campaign to carry the burden of proof if it wishes to really convince the nation o its case.
It has failed to do so and by some considerable margin.
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Infidel
12:32 Sat May 28
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Vexed
"Out haven't provided much information..."
Have you been so infantilised that you need to be spoonfed information?
This isn't a general election. The people campaigning for Brexit are not going to be in power after the vote. Not only do they not have to provide you with information, they cannot and should not, because it will be up to the government of the day to decide what to do - and the government is ultimately elected by us.
There is great uncertainty for the UK whether we remain or leave. Nobody knows how it will pan out.
If we remain and the EU implodes we will be 'shackled to a corpse', as some have said. It will sink us.
If we leave and the EU retaliates against us to fend off referendum contagion we could find our economy suffering, at least in the short term.
Nobody knows. We all have the same information. You may look at it and decide the benefits of staying outweigh the benefits of leaving. I look at it and I'm very clear that leaving is the best decision (by a mile actually).
But to say that you're waiting for the leave campaign to explain to you what will happen after Brexit is not only illogical (because they are not in charge) but bone idle on your part.
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stewie griffin
12:20 Sat May 28
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You can base a prediction of the future on facts, but it will, nonetheless be a prediction and not a fact.
HTH
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Hammer and Pickle
12:17 Sat May 28
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err griff, I don't think it's fair to say that just because something hasn't happened yet warnings about it are not based on facts.
I mean, there is a difference between not sending your kids out to play on a railway embankment and telling them about dragons at the bottom of the garden.
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Vexed
12:08 Sat May 28
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I.want.that.one 11:57 Sat May 28
Well that's a weird post. Are you angry with me because you mugged yourself off on another thread?
Judging by the level of intelligence you have displayed this morning I'm going out on a limb to say you're a Leave voter.
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zico
12:04 Sat May 28
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Out
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Shin Chan
12:00 Sat May 28
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I find it very unsurprising that people who want to leave accuse the other side of scare mongering, when the ones who want to stay also accuse the other side of scare mongering.
Shane that they cannot concentrate on what good it will do rather than try to paint the other side as a demon!
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I.want.that.one
11:57 Sat May 28
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Well, you lost your self respect a long time ago,Vexed. What is left for you?
Your fat wife will still be able to use public playgrounds for weird porn photos whether we leave or not?
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Vexed
11:53 Sat May 28
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IN
I have something to lose and I'd rather not gamble on it thanks.
As has been said, both campaigns have been shocking so far.
Out haven't provided much information and they continually bang the tedious immigration drum hoping to stoke up some race hate mong votes.
In have totally overdone the scaremongering and questionable 'facts' they've put out and have come across as a desperate bunch of untrustworthy cunts.
In would have had this sewn up weeks ago if they'd shut their gobs. Still gonna be a comfortable Remain victory, this board will be carnage.
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cholo
11:43 Sat May 28
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Reply I.want.that.one 11:05 Sat May 28
The out campaign do have a strategy, it's to contradict in the simplest terms any statement made by the ins, such as 'no it won't' or 'don't be ridiculous'.
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stewie griffin
11:32 Sat May 28
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Probably IN.
Both sides have run terrible campaigns, to be frank.
But, there are no facts available for the Remain campaign, because everything they say is based around what may or may not happen in the future. Evidently, most of the cataclysmic predictions are absurd, but its quite tough to argue a point without any facts.
The only facts available are what it is actually like living in the EU, so the OUT campaign should have a bit of headstart. However, they've been found to be lying about pretty much every fact they've put out.
So, you're left with a choice between scaremongers and liars. I'll take the former, just.
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Chigwell
11:31 Sat May 28
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Exile old chum - EU legislation has no direst effect on domestic affairs like education or health, at least nothing likely to change government policy here. You should not be swayed by your hostility to any national party or politician, but vote on the issue itself:
Which carries the greater benefit or risk to the UK and its people (including yourself)?
(a) leaving the EU - the benefit of controlling immigration and population increase, which should in turn allow proper planning of the free health and school provision which you value, and the benefit of being able to vote directly for/against the politicians who make all our decisions, AGAINST the risks of some commercial and job insecurity, at least in the short term, and that our own people may not be well enough educated or trained, or simply motivated, to compensate for the absent EU migrants.
(b) staying in the EU - the benefit of a more predictable short--term economic future and continuity, the ease of obtaining work in other EU countries, the reduced likelihood of damaging conflicts between EU member states, AGAINST the risk of being tied to an unwieldy institution while having little say in the direction it takes, with a poor track record on economic stability, controlling its own costs, corruption, and with little control of its own borders.
You can probably guess which way I will vote, but it is foolish to think that the answer is obvious. Younger people tend to be optimistic about their own possibilities and the neighbourliness of others, while the older generation has seen the UK change from being a leading world power to one which cannot even control who comes here.
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